deism does not mean that my friends. deism is the belief that god is not a benevolent force in our lives, but more of an architect or a builder who is not with us everyday.

at the highest level, freemason do not believe in "god" in the sense you mean. freemasons revere the intellect and the notion that the mind of man can fix god's (not the builder god, but a lesser god, which is the god of the bible. it's complicated...) flawed creation.

this intellect is symbolized by lucifer. the light bringer. also called satan. so in that sense, some of the early founding fathers were satanists.

in fact, ben franklin was a member of the hellfire club, which was openly a group of satanists.

read: the lost keys for freemasonry by manly p. hall.
listen: mystery babylon by bill cooper. i know it's like fifty hours long, but listen to it twice.
watch: chris pinto (riddles in stone, eye of the phoenix). he does an excellent job of tying the history and influence of masonic thought to present times.

tubal-cain was the last son of cain (who defied god, and who of course the masons would identify with). cain hammered his sword into a plow. the first builder and built a city. they identify with him symbolically....

ok, i can't cover all of this in a comment, but i assure you guys that a lot of what you "know" about masons are just what masons say and is bs and is supposed to be bs. the ancient stone cutter thing. the you have to have a belief in some god thing. it's all just smoke.

it all has another meaning and it takes a LONG time to figure it out. once you do though, you will see their symbols and songs on the radio will begin to make sense.

the egyptian stuff is because they have the same religion. the exact same religion.

keep going. you guys are doing great.

THE FOLLOWING COMMENT WAS COPIED AND PASTED FROM DIRECT ALEX JONES LINK TO MEDIA ROOTS EPISODE: no they are not, Salma. Zionists are a perverted "fake Jew" blend of Caanonite and Moabite. As for Alex, I read the transscript of Media Roots. Compared to you they sound like the "Delicious Dish" skit from Saturday Night Live. Which is WHY... I HATED TALK RADIO AND IT TOOK THE FORCE OF ALEX JONES TO DRAW THIS STUDENT OF REAL HISTORY AND HOLY SCRIPTURES BACK TO TALK RADIO. Now where other subjects they seem to cover come off anti NWO enough; (and BTW I am a HUGE ALEX JONES SUPPORTER) but based on what Media Roots told about the Masons and freemasonry, if they actually believe that they're GOOD and were a tool for independent thought, they are on crack. If so why is it that ALL OF THE ELITE ENDORSE THEM OR THEMSELVES MEMBERS INCLUDING BARRY SOETORO? Way do people act so clueless about this? It's in Genesis! Nimrod's followers who built the tower of Babel were the "free" masons. God spoke to His Son and His Holy Spirit saying, "Behold Man is acting as one and it is not good. Let us go down and confuse the languages that Man may scatter across the Earth." And I am paraphrasing. The point is the star of david is NOT Jewish. It is Egyptian. Isis and Osiris to be exact. And of course its also masonic. Many of the founding fathers were masons and that wasn't good. Ben Franklin belonged to cults that had wild orgies and "mock communions" against Christ. I endorse Thomas Jefferson because he WASN'T A MASON AND HAD TRUE BELIEFS OF LIBERTY. Ben Franklin is on record for working as a mole for the Crown which probably means Rothchild as well. And of course I know John Marshall formulated the Supreme Court because the insides of a courtroom from the furniture, set up, to the ritual proceedings and gavel mirror that of mason lodges. Why was Alester Crowley, a professed enemy of God and wizard who's book MAJICK WITHOUT TEARS addresses the SAME DOUBLE-HEADED EAGLE/PHOENIX LOGIC AS FALSE FLAG ATTACKS LIKE 9/11? Double-headed eagles/phoenix is a MASONIC SYMBOL: EVOLUTION IN PROGRESS=CHAOS AND DISORDER. I AM THE PROBLEM AND THE SOLUTION. I could go on forever and discredit many posers who claim to be of the same cloth Alex Jones is. Alex Jones is the real deal, but some of these others I see right through. Look, we need more shows like Alex's. We need more music like Chris Geo. But what we don't need is more monkey wrenches. Scripture said it would deceive the very elect if it were possible. And oh, BTW MEDIA ROOTS GUY: CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION AND YES IT IS TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY. JESUS HATES RELIGION. YOU WANT TO SLAM CHRISTINE O'DONNEL FOR FOOLISH ANSWERS ON THE CONSTITUTION I SITE MEDIA ROOTS FOR THE SAME THING ON CHRISTIANITY. Tell me this; what was the ONLY 2 times Jesus was violent in the Scriptures? (mind you pre-Revelation for when He returns He's gettin violent on the wicked too): IT WAS TO CAST OUT MONEY CHANGERS FROM THE TEMPLE! You know, BANKERS, MASONS. EXACTLY the SAME problem we have now. David Rockefeller is a mason for sure. Barry Soetoro is a 33rd degree and Barry's favorite artist Shawn "Jay Z" Carter is a 3rd degree Master Mason just like ole Georgie was. So out the door we have the right to get violent on some money changers and SIN NOT: JOSHUA KILLED THOUSANDS; DAVID TENS OF THOUSANDS. American Revolution spilled blood yet we think we don't have to worry about that to fight for our freedom in the age of MySpace? Media Roots, you're a cute little Hallmark Card in the same way I described Dan Brown's Davinci Code and just as laughable, cause MEDIA ROOTS IS NO ALEX JONES! FIN.

The 1st ammendmen does NOT say seperation of church and state.